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The Library 2.0 Gang is a regular monthly round-table podcast hosted by Richard Wallis, joined by several contributors drawn from a pool of regulars from the world of libraries and the technologies that influence them, to discuss the topics of the day.

Each month The Gang will be joined by a guest relevant to one of the topics under discussion.

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Library 2.0 Gang 06/09: Library System Suppliers view of OCLC Web-scale

In last month’s show there was some speculation as to what reaction there would be from the organisations that supply ‘traditional’ library systems to the OCLC announcement of their web-scale, cloud computing, library system initiative.

In an attempt to answer that speculation I took the unusual step of bringing together a specific set of Library 2.0 Gang members from that community as against our usual open house of whoever is available.  The result was an interesting conversation between Ex Libris’ Carl Grant, Nicole Engard from LibLime, Talis’ Rob Styles and newcomer from Axiell, Boris Zetterlund.

The initial reactions to hearing the announcement included “why did they take so long” and guarded “uh-ho”.  There were several aspects of, and reactions to, the announcement in the conversation - from welcoming the initiative, the inevitable move of library functionality to the cloud, questions about the size of library that would use it, the cost model, and of course issues about data and API availability.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 06/09: Library System Suppliers view of OCLC Web-scale [00:50:35m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 05/09: Cloud Computing Libraries and OCLC

New Gang member Frances Haugen from Google, joined Marshall Breeding and myself for a discussion about one of the recent trends in computing and the Internet, Cloud Computing, and how it will influence libraries, especially in the ligth of recent announcements by OCLC.

To give us an introduction in to the topic, our guest this month has a background in libraries having been a colleague of mine at Talis for several years.  Dr Paul Miller can now be found at Cloudofdata.com, working at the interface between the worlds of Cloud Computing and the Semantic Web, providing the insights that enable you to exploit the next wave as we approach the World Wide Database.

Paul provided us with an overview of what is meant by Cloud Computing, before the conversation moved on to the OCLC strategy to move library management services to Web scale.  Interpreting the OCLC announcement, it is clear that it is a approach to deliver hosted library management services from the  cloud in direct competition to the traditional ILS vendors such as SirsiDynix, Ex Libris, Innovative, Talis, and even those that OCLC have consumed over recent years.

Marshall shared with us the insight that in specifying the architecture for this initiative they had been working on a transaction rate sufficient to cope with the transactions of all libraries on the planet – an average of 5,000 per second.

This move from OCLC raises many questions and issues, not least of which is the potential impact on those traditional vendors.  How comfortable libraries will be adding back-office and patron’s personal data to the bibliographic data many already share with OCLC, being another one.

I’m certain that this will not be the only time that OCLC’s announcement in particular and Cloud Computing in general will feature on the Gang.  This month’s conversation is a great introduction to these topics and issues around them.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 05/09: Cloud Computing Libraries and OCLC [00:40:59m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 04/09: The mess of ERM

Electronic Resource Management has evolved alongside Integrated Library Systems over the last decade, reaching a point today where many would agree it is a bit of a mess.  A rhetorical question I posed to Gang Members Marshall Breeding and Oren Beit-Arie in this month’s show, which neither had difficult in agreeing with.

From his perspective of his market analysis on Library Technology Guides, Marshall observed how surprisingly low is the number of libraries that are purchasing ERM systems.  Especially now we have reached the point that many academic libraries are spending over half of their budget on eContent, you would think that libraries would feel the need to buy systems to manage them. His view being that these tools need to be made better at managing the resources before the take up will increase

Oren, who has a long background with eContent systems, from the early days of SFX and OpenURL though his current position with Ex Libris a major supplier in this area, was an ideal Gang member to have on this show.  His view was that the mess actually has two sides to it: the world of electronic publishing with it’s very messy business models, terms, delivery platforms and standards compliance; and on the other side the organisational structures within libraries and the tools that have been built to help them manage the mess.  We [the industry] may need to look closely at the design of some of those systems as they may be helping to cause some of that mess.

The real question, as we have spent so long evolving in to a mess, is can we fix it or do we have to start again?  It was clear from the discussion that from the library side, the approach has been at the wrong level of granularity – approaching [initially] eJournal content at the level of the Journal itself as against the article which more often than not the target of a user’s discovery exercise.  This being aggravated by the approach of trying to catalogue the electronic in the same way as the physical – an article in an issue, of a volume, of a journal, on a virtual shelf.  Add to this a publishing industry going through massive change, doggedly trying to preserve and protect its old business model, whilst a few forward looking publishers try to work out what will replace it – no wonder we are in a mess.

The Gang go in to some depth discussing possible ways forward, with an emerging theme that if libraries are going to be able to manage their resources efficiently, they will have to move towards treating everything in the same way.  Be they books, physical journals, articles from eJournals, eBooks, papers in local repositories, data from research projects, or even associated software, libraries will need a constant way to manage all their current ‘stuff’ and the stuff we haven’t thought of yet.  There will also have to be a similar change in the publishing industry to accommodate the needs of the libraries if such a move is going to be successful.

Not such a gloomy outlook as you would at first think. Some of the analysis from the OLE Project [which we discussed in last month’s show] and from the URM project from Oren’s organisation are starting to address these issues.  The problem will be the few bumpy years to get us from the current unsatisfactory situation to where we want to be.

Note: Due to technical difficulties the recording quality is not as high as normal for which I apologise.

 
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Library 2.0 Gang 03/09: Open Library Environment (OLE)

The subject of this month’s episode is the Mellon funded Open Library Environment (OLE) Project which has been in operation since the middle of last year with the goal to define a next-generation technology environment based on a thoroughly re-examined model of library operations and connected to other enterprise technology systems.  Leading to a design for a next-generation library system using Service Oriented Architecture.

Our first guest is Tim McGeary is of Lehigh University in Bethlehem, PA, who is an active member of the project and gave an excellent presentation of it’s state at Code4lib 2009.  As well as addressing how the individual components of a future library system will interact with each other, it is important to understand how they will interact and integrate with other enterprise systems delivering services elsewhere in the institution.

Our second guest, Andy Latham from Talis has been responsible for their system integration solution, Keystone, integrating library with external systems such as finance, student registry, portals, identity and CRM systems.

This mix of guests set a great background for the conversation to develop.  On the one hand we have the clean-sheet approach from the OLE providing the benefit of being able to revisit the objectives and dependencies of a library system.  On the other hand we have experience of many real integration projects, interfacing library business with non-library systems.

Gang members Marshall Breeding and Oren Beit-Arie, who has a background in this area with the Ex Libris URM strategy, joined the conversation, which initially focused on how great efficiencies could be introduced by fully integrating with systems such as finance and student registry.  The obvious next question was what happens to library staff currently employed in areas which could be automated.

Tim gave us an update on the status of the current, design phase of the project and he and Marshall, who is also participating in it, speculated on where things will go in years two and three.

Another lively and interesting discussion, well worth a listen.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 03/09: Open Library Environment (OLE) [01:00:03m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 02/09: Google books and libraries

Google is a company, or even a whole topic, that all librarians seem to have an opinion upon. Held up as the shining example of the way search should be presented, or the death of guided search dragging eyes away from the ‘quality’ resources held in libraries - a possible answer to the confused mess of eJournal aggregation - the organisation wanting to scan in all the books and then either replace, or facilitate greater access to, the worlds libraries - a wonderful resource to add value to library holdings.   Just some of many, often contradictory, opinions.   The constant  being that the majority of librarians have an opinion on the subject.

Our guest this month, Frances Haugen product manager from the team behind Google Book Search, joins us to discuss a couple of the recent announcements from that team, and the wider issues around making books and libraries more visible on the web.

The day before the recording, Google had announced the launch of a version of Book Search for mobile devices.  Frances describes the need for a mobile specific version, and the challenges behind delivering it.   Next on the agenda was the agreement between Google and American authors and publishers which has led to the creation of a Book Rights Registry.  As we are in the period of legal stuff still going on around this, Frances could not comment on the detail, but it was clear that it colours their approach to books and libraries.

We touched on how embedding services such as the Google Book Search previewer in to a library interface could add value for library users. Coincidentally making this, and other simple extensions to an OPAC easy to implement is a task I’m working on at the moment.  Checkout the Panlibus blog for a screenshot of the kind of thing we were discussing.

The conversation then moved on to how to make libraries, and more importantly their holdings, visible and usefully searchable with Google, Yahoo!, and their competitors.  It became clear in the conversation that all agreed that there was a role to be played by libraries, vendors, the open source community and the  search engine companies to agree upon and promote a way of solving this problem.  Maybe such a cooperation would result in a standard that I christened the Open Catalogue Crawling Protocol.

In addition we spent a sort time discussing Summon, the new search interface that Gang Member Andrew Nagy is working on, after his move to Serials Solutions.  He was joined on the Gang for this month’s show by Talin Bingham from SirsiDynix, Marshall Breeding and Ex Libris’ Carl Grant.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 02/09: Google books and libraries [00:52:55m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 12/08: A look forward in to 2009

Festive holiday time is a good time to look back at the year almost ended and to then attempt to predict what will be in the next year.  It’s no different for the Library 2.0 Gang.

In this month’s show Talin Bingham, Carl Grant, Nicole Engard and John Blyberg congregate around the virtual log fire and exchange their views on the significant events for libraries, and the technologies that influence them, that occurred in 2008.  From new commercial product releases and the ongoing march of Open Source, to issues around openness and licensing, it has been a significant time.

Drawing on the themes that have emerged over the last twelve months the gang then speculates on what will be grabbing our attention and influencing our world in 2009, which could prove to be even more significant.

 
 The Library 2.0 Gang December 2008 [00:53:49m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 11/08: Policy – OCLC & Google Book Search

This month’s Library 2.0 Gang conversation is stimulated by recent announcements from two significant organisations in their spheres of influence.

Gang regulars Tim Spalding and Marshall Breeding chew the fat on OCLC’s policy change announcement(s) which has set the library blogosphere alight over the last couple of weeks and was the subject of a Talking with Talis podcast with OCLC’s Karen Calhoun & Roy Tennant..   What are the motivations behind it - is OCLC a good thing - what could the ramifications for the wider community - does the wider library community care enough about it?

Google Book Search and their provisional settlement with the Authors Guild and Association of American Publishers (AAP) around copyright issues.  One of the spin offs from the settlement being the setting up of Book Rights Registry, managed by authors and publishers, that will work to locate and represent copyright holders Book Rights Registry, managed by authors and publishers, that will work to locate and represent copyright holders.  Is this the beginnings of a change in the publishing industry to take on some of the attributes of the music industry?

As always another lively and entertaining conversation.

 
 The Library 2.0 Gang November 2008 [00:47:58m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 10/08: Financial Crisis or an opportunity?

Unless you have been living under a stone for the last few months, the turmoil in the world financial markets can not have escaped your notice, but how will this, and the inevitable recession that we are heading in towards, influence libraries and their suppliers?

Is the library world insulated from it?  Does it mean that open source become more popular because it is perceived to be cheaper, or less because there will be less funding for those involved?  Does it mean that pressure to purchase add-on components as against full systems will increase?  What pressures will there be on the vendors both traditional and open source?  Does this mean that libraries will become more or less significant in their communities?  Is this an opportunity or a crisis or both?

Joining gang members Marshall Breeding and Carl Grant to discuss this, our guest this month is Talis CEO and avid Bloomberg watcher, Dave Errington.

The conclusion seems to be that it is definitely a crisis for the world economies, but this first recession in an online world could be an opportunity for libraries if they are willing to grasp it.  Take a listen and see if you agree.

During the conversation Carl references a Chronicle of Higher Education, Tech Therapy, podcast about the culture clash between librarians and IT in the academic environment.  You can listen to that podcast by following this link.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 10/08: Financial Crisis or an opportunity? [00:46:00m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 09/08: System Procurement

All are agreed that the purchasing of a library system is not an insignificant undertaking, but in these times of rapidly changing 2.0 technology and open source systems, are the current procurement processes still fit for purpose?

To help with the discussion we are joined by two guests this month who are both veterans of many tender processes:

Gang members Carl Grant and Marshall Breeding join in the discussion about the frustrations of the procurement process and how it may or may not be applicable.  There again, the process does lead to contractual rigor, but is it at the expense of stifled innovation.?

To help the discussion along Rob McGee has provided a couple of his white papers on the subject:

  • Request for Proposals for Integrated Library Systems [pdf]
  • Information Technology Strategic Planning for Libraries [pdf]

Although coming from differing points of view, the gang and our guests agreed on one piece of advice for libraries – make friends with your purchasing department, involving them fully in preparing requirements with vision.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 09/08 [00:42:46m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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Library 2.0 Gang 08/08: Open Source Systems

Open Source Software has been around for many years.  Open Source components have been used to develop library systems since the late 1990’s.  Koha, acknowledged as the first fully open source library system was launched by its New Zealand based developers in 2000.   The growing interest around open source, stimulated by Koha, was given a significant boost when Georgia Public Libraries launched Evergreen in September 2006.

We have two guests this month:

  • Karen G. Schneider, Community Librarian for Equinox Software, the support organisation which grew out of the Evergreen project.
  • L J Haravu Chief Domain Specialist, Verus Solutions Pvt., Ltd., Hyderabad India, the software company behind NewGenLib the Open Source library system successfully spreading across India and the Middle East.

Stimulated by the success of the organisations represented by our guests, the gang for this month – Nicole Engard, Talin Bingham, Andrew Nagy, Marshall Breeding, and Carl Grant – go on to discuss how Open Source Library Systems, and the open approach behind them, have changed the way all system suppliers both commercial and Open Source are delivering their systems and engaging with their customers.

 
 Library 2.0 Gang 08/08 [00:59:51m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
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